Online Petition for Netflix?

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With the recent news that a fan petition convinced Netflix to pick up Lucifer, would anyone here try and participate in one for AvED?

I know Bruce said his peace and kind of retired from the role, but I'm sure he'd be down if they greenlit more seasons.

Thoughts?
 
There have already been quite a few on here, and since they have already started to sell off pieces of the set it would make it kind of tough to pick things back up. The final auction fittingly starts on Bruce's birthday.
 
With the recent news that a fan petition convinced Netflix to pick up Lucifer, would anyone here try and participate in one for AvED?

I know Bruce said his peace and kind of retired from the role, but I'm sure he'd be down if they greenlit more seasons.

Thoughts?

Netflix isn't allowed to pick up AVED because Starz won't let them.

But please proceed with any petition desiring more AVED because it's something nice to point to when a deal does come to some sort of fruition or deciding moment.

If Netflix would just purchase Lionsgate then we could get more AVED.
 
Bruce has also said pretty firmly he's done playing Ash, but as always I take that proclamation with a grain of salt.

The streaming rates on Netflix would have to be super high to convince them to pick it up after how bad the ratings were over the last couple of seasons.
 
Bruce has also said pretty firmly he's done playing Ash, but as always I take that proclamation with a grain of salt.

The streaming rates on Netflix would have to be super high to convince them to pick it up after how bad the ratings were over the last couple of seasons.
Ash Vs Evil Dead does very well on Netflix (the first two seasons).
It also does very well online (piracy).
The ratings on Starz does not matter (only to Lionsgate, which didn't care about the series).

Pretty much nobody has Starz.
Probably mostly really old people have Starz, the kind of old people that wouldn't understand Evil Dead, but they like their pirate titties or whatever else is being shown on Starz that gets high ratings.

I have no doubt that Netflix would have picked it up for a fourth season if Lionsgate would have allowed it. But Lionsgate doesn't want Netflix to have their property. Yea, the first two seasons are on Netflix, but that was just a last ditch effort to gain an audience that they were (stupidly) hoping would go to Starz.
But to get Starz, you need cable, and premium cable, and a specific premium cable package (in a sea of premium cable packages) that has Starz in it, and to be in a certain area because a big cable provider dropped Starz last year.
But why would someone have premium cable if they have Netflix?
Fuck cable.
 
but they like their pirate titties or whatever else is being shown on Starz that gets high ratings.

Black Sails was a terrific show. An all around much better show than AvED, in my opinion. It really wasn't just "pirate titties" and it didn't get high enough ratings to continue past the 4th season either. Also, in a lot of international markets, only the first season of AvED is available on Netflix. I live in Brazil and we have only the first season here.

I agree with everything else you said, though. You're right on the money. I'm a firm believer that the Starz distribution model - specially overseas - had a lot to do with AvED failing so miserably to find an audience (but I wouldn't say it was the only reason - the writing on the show and backstage problems had a lot do with it as well).
 
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Black Sails was a terrific show. An all around much better show than AvED, in my opinion. It really wasn't just "pirate titties" and it didn't get high enough ratings to continue past the 4th season either. Also, in a lot of international markets, only the first season of AvED is available on Netflix. I live in Brazil and we have only the first season here.

I agree with everything else you said, though. You're right on the money. I'm a firm believer that the Starz distribution model - specially overseas - had a lot to do with AvED failing so miserably to find an audience (but I wouldn't say it was the only reason - the writing on the show and backstage problems had a lot do with it as well).

I'm not dissing Black Sails, just the people that watch that during live ratings and not Ash Vs Evil Dead as well. If you're whimsical enough to enjoy pirate titties, then you should be whimsical enough to enjoy Ash Vs Evil Dead. There's no fucking excuse. Ash Vs Evil Dead is fucking wonderful.
The writing had nothing to do with ratings because, you see, to actually critique the writing, one would have to watch the series. And there was nothing wrong with the writing.
 
Pretty much nobody has Starz.
Probably mostly really old people have Starz, the kind of old people that wouldn't understand Evil Dead, but they like their pirate titties or whatever else is being shown on Starz that gets high ratings.

LOL .. hey! ... don't forget it was us oldies fans who got the whole Evil Dead fandom thing going in the first place ! ;)
 
If Netflix was going to pick it up they would have already. There was a window, and they likely made an offer, and Lionsgate from what I hear turned them down, and will not be licensing Season 3 either.

So in true ED fashion, AvED becomes one more entry in the series where rights issues will prevent proper continuity if they ever did try to tell more Ash stories at a later date.

Best case scenario, MGM & Netflix make deal to produce ED4/Army of Darkness 2, and use the post-apocalyptic ending to form a pseudo-continuation of AvED, without being too specific about events from the show. Bruce would come back for one last 'Unforgiven' style turn as Ash, to end the series.
 
I'm not dissing Black Sails, just the people that watch that during live ratings and not Ash Vs Evil Dead as well. If you're whimsical enough to enjoy pirate titties, then you should be whimsical enough to enjoy Ash Vs Evil Dead. There's no fucking excuse.

Apples and oranges. Not the same audience at all. I see no reason why people who would tune in for Black Sails or even American Gods, should automatically want to watch AvED as well week after week just because they have Starz. They're completely different shows.

The writing had nothing to do with ratings because, you see, to actually critique the writing, one would have to watch the series. And there was nothing wrong with the writing.

If that was the case, AvED wouldn't have lost so many of the viewers it had during the first season. Ratings for AvED started to drop during the second season, which coincidentally was when the show was the most problematic in the writing department and backstage creative differences disputes started having a negative effect on the show. After an inconsistent, kinda aimless second season and that atrocious finale, a lot of people gave up on the show. The ratings never really bounced back from that. In fact, they only continued to drop during the third season until they reached a stable number that just wasn't enough to convince Starz to continue. The writing certainly got a lot better during the second half of the third season, but by then it was too little too late. To say the writing and treatment of the plotlines and characters don't have anything to do with a show's ability to sustain an audience is kinda ingenuous. As Muzzlehatch said, just take a look at the discussions we had here while the show was airing and you'll see opinions were very divisive when it comes to the show's writing ever since the show started. You may not have had any problems with it, but it was far from perfect and there was no majority consensus that the show was just "fucking wonderful". Another thing that certainly adds to all of that is that the concept, format and narrative style of AvED was always better suited for binge watching. The short running time per episode and purposeful lack of meaningful character development didn't really reward audiences for tuning in week after week. The show would've been better off and have a better fighting chance if it were on Netflix rather than Starz right from the start.
 
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Apples and oranges. Not the same audience at all. I see no reason why people who would tune in for Black Sails or even American Gods, should automatically want to watch AvED as well week after week just because they have Starz. They're completely different shows.



If that was the case, AvED wouldn't have lost as many of the viewers it had during the first season. Ratings for AvED started to drop during the second season, which coincidentally was when the show was the most problematic in the writing department and backstage creative differences disputes started having a negative effect on the show. After an inconsistent, kinda aimless second season and that atrocious finale, a lot of people gave up on the show. The ratings never really bounced back from that. In fact, they only continued to drop during the third season until they reached a stable number that just wasn't enough to convince Starz to continue. The writing certainly got a lot better during the second half of the third season, but by then it was too little too late. To say the writing and treatment of the plotlines and characters don't have anything to do with a show's ability to sustain an audience is kinda ingenuous. As Muzzlehatch said, just take a look at the discussions we had here while the show was airing and you'll see opinions were very divisive when it comes to the show's writing ever since the show started. You may not have had any problems with it, but it was far from perfect and there was no majority consensus that the show was just "fucking wonderful". Another thing that certainly adds to all of that is that the concept, format and narrative style of AvED was always better suited for binge watching. The short running time per episode and purposeful lack of meaningful character development didn't really reward audiences for tuning in week after week. The show would've been better off and have a better fighting chance on Netflix rather than Starz right from the start.


Yea, I guess you're right. In my opinion, Season 2 was firing on all cylinders. Though, I did initially feel it was too jokey the first time I watched it, but that was a very minor criticism while I enjoyed the hell out of it. But watching it all now, it's the series at it's peak.

The main thing is that pretty much no one sees things my way. To me, you can't judge a season until it's over (pertaining to writing). I see a season as a whole that can start out with a lot of questions and make sense when you see the whole picture. Then again, I would never watch live because I care too much about it. I always wait until it's over (the season at least) until watching it all.

Of course, if I were a Nielsen viewer, I would have it marked as 'watched live'.

Full disclosure, I actually was a Nielsen viewer and would have been during the run of Season 3, though I didn't have Starz, so it didn't matter. I opted out of Nielsen because it was no longer writing in what one was watching, you had to acquiesce to a 1984 style listening device that constantly has a cell-phone-like signal where they basically listen to everything in your home. It's absolutely fucking disturbing and only an idiot would agree to that. They send you this box to plug in and it listens to you (and your TV) and is basically a cell-phone radiating you. So you get cancer and spied on. You have to sign these forms agreeing to this (I still have them). They claim, "The listening device doesn't listen to you, it's listening for special decoded sounds your TV gives off that only it can hear and can't be heard by humans." Wow.

So all Nielsen viewers are the kind that don't mind a constant radiated signal directed right at them and don't mind an organization listening and recording all sound in their home. Facebook kind of people that give out all their info and images for the world to see.

Well, that was my little rant about how totally fucked TV-viewing measurement has become. You thought it was bad and unfair before... While listening to exactly what you are (doing) watching, it's inclusive only to idiots that question nothing.

But we do have Netflix and online downloads now, so that's the opposite (correct) direction in counting viewership.
 
DyD hit most of the points I wanted to make, but I will add that Bruce's assertion that the show's being pirated at a high rate seems to be false, at least on the mass scale. It's never made TorrentFreak's top 10 or even it's top 20, and they're the algorithm the mainstream media uses to measure such things.

If Netflix was going to pick it up they would have already. There was a window, and they likely made an offer, and Lionsgate from what I hear turned them down, and will not be licensing Season 3 either.

Which means it must not be incredibly profitable for them; if it was they would have fought for it.

If anyone ever wants to start a band The Pirate Titties would be a good name.

HEH!
 
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DyD hit most of the points I wanted to make, but I will add that Bruce's assertion that the show's being pirated at a high rate seems to be false, at least on the mass scale. It's never made TorrentFreak's top 10 or even it's top 20, and they're the algorithm the mainstream media uses to measure such things.

I think it was actually a combination of several different factors that led to AvED's cancellation and failure to sustain an audience, and honestly, this fallacy of a high rate of piracy is only a way to shift the blame towards the audience. Off the top of my head:
  • Inconsistent writing, bad showrunning and an ill-advised creative concept that divided the loyal fanbase, made worse by the creative differences behind the scenes.
  • Writing style and concept that didn't fit the format, better suited for binge watching rather than weekly broadcast. People who didn't enjoy what they were doing with the show wouldn't bother to watch it on a weekly basis and a lot of people who actually did enjoy the show would still rather wait for the seasons to end so that they could watch the whole thing in one go. Either way, it affected the live ratings. Like I said, the short running time per episode along with purposeful lack of lasting character and plot developments didn't really reward audiences for watching it week after week.
  • The focus on weird viral marketing and lack of regular marketing pieces that would actually inform the audience about the show and maybe get audiences outside of the ED niche interested in it. The show never managed to reach that audience and it needed it to survive. Actually, it never seemed like they were actively trying to reach that audience at all.
  • The Starz distribution model for international markets that forced people to jump through hoops or pay large sums of money if they wanted to watch the show as it aired. It seems they failed to realize that a fairly large portion of the ED fanbase (if not most of it) resides outside the US. They complain a lot about piracy, but even though I think it really didn't have as much of an impact on the show's ratings as they want to believe, they certainly didn't make it easy for international audiences to watch the show legally. They practically forced half their audience to resort to piracy.
I honestly think AvED was doomed from the start on Starz. It would never survive on live ratings alone.
 
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